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I always wanted to give the kids really distinctive and unusual names ("No Top 100!"), and Mark insisted (reasonably so) that we give names that were recognizably matched to the child's gender and without unusual spelling variations. We settled on "names that have been out of fashion for a long time."

Oscar seemed perfect because it's a family name on Mark's side, the name of his dad's uncle who practically raised him -- we thought it was a great way to honor Mark's dad w/o actually calling the baby "Raymond." Oscar's middle name Joseph is after St. Joseph.

Milo was one of 2 male names we'd narrowed it down to when he was born. It took us about 8 hours after the birth for us to make up our minds. We liked the sound of it, thought it matched Oscar very well. We miscalculated a bit, though, it's odd enough that many people have never heard the name before, and frequently people try to spell it "Mylo." His middle name Willhelm is my mother's maiden name.

MJ = Mary Jane is the name of my grandmother, whom I've always called "Grandma MJ." We use the name/initials interchangeably. Mary Jane is my daughter's two-word first name; Frances is her middle name. I came across St. Jane Frances de Chantal (feast day in the US = Aug. 12) while looking for names near the baby's due date, and liked the idea of a "Mary Jane Frances." I was stuck on it when I learned that in the rest of the world St. Jane Frances' feast day is 12/12, Mark's and my anniversary. I sometimes wish I had spelled "Mary Jane" as "Maryjane" for bureaucratic convenience (just like my grandma, she doesn't answer to "Mary") but other than that I love the name. When we first told people they often said, "I expected you to name her something really unusual after Oscar and Milo!" to which I always answer, "When was the last time *you* met a little girl named Mary Jane?" I have met one, once, since then...


Our Picking Principles:
1. We already have an odd last name. The Great Husband, therefore, refused any and all calls to odd first names from his burgeoning wife.

2. Hormone-saturated wives sometimes think of very odd first names. (I did, anyway. Glad those kids have a dad!)

3. We chose a family name and a saint's name.

4. The two names had to mean something lovely - and mean something together.

5. The two names had to sound well together, and the first and last name had to sound well together.

6. Most important to me at the time (for Heaven only knows what reason) is that the initials couldn't spell anything goofy, and the nicknames couldn't make the combos sound stupid or be teaseable ...

See ... my last name is Lillegard. A very Helpful Friend kept making suggestions like Willy Wally Lillegard and Milly Molly Lillegard ... every combination of something with a prominent L. I think it acted like too much enchilada sauce while in the midst of pregnancy induced olfactory hypersensitivity. I got very skittish about L's.


Okay, I started writing a response here, but decided my blathering was long enough for a post on my own blog. It's here.

Fun topic!

Barbara C.

My husband is, um, very particular about names. We went 20 rounds with our first because every time I thought we had it settled it he would suddenly decide he didn't like what he agreed on. The final name was agreed upon in labor.

DD#1: Was named Bailey...he loved "WKRP in Cincinnati" growing up. Allyson was a name we considered for a first name. I chose the "y" after Allysson Hannigan, not remembering that she also does two "s"s. I was a Buffy fan at the time...and well, I wanted some say in the child's name.

DD#2: We each made a list of names and possible middles names. He suggested Piper to my surprise and went along with my middle name suggestion of Delaney. (Delaney came from the Jimmy Buffet song "Delaney Talks to Statues" about a spritely little girl.) We wanted to give her a name with gumption so that she could hold her on with her spirited big sister.

DD#3: We both liked the nickname Katie, but dh didn't like Katherine as a given name (and we didn't just want to give her a nickname name like my husband has). So we went with Katelyn. My husband fell in love with the middle name Ryan. I tried to fight it up until the last minute I filled out the birth certificate forms, but he wouldn't agree to anything else. Come to find out that the full name of his favorite character on "Degrassi Jr. High" was Katelyn Ryan. So now we joke that if we have a boy we'll name him Joey Jeremiah from the same show. We agree that Katie/Kate totally fits her but we both have some Namers Remorse about her full name.

Mystery Baby due in June: Who knows?? Dh says he doesn't want to learn the sex this time. We've always had a hard time coming up with a possible boy's name. If it's another girl, though, I think I should finally get Elizabeth, at least as a middle name.

Our Criteria:
*Normally we prefer less popular names (no top 10), although Katelyn was a concession to get the nickname we wanted.
*We are on the look-out for the ability of others (i.e. bratty children) to mock name or initials.
*Name flow is really important to us, within each child's name and how they flow with each other.
*We try to avoid gimmicks (names that rhyme, begin/end with the same letter).
*We don't name after family members because we both have sketchy ones or oddly named ones on each side. My mother said she would kill me if I named a child after her (Ruby Eugenia). We would like to honor my husband's grandfather but his given name is Gool and his nickname doesn't work with our last name.
*We never did saint names because my husband wasn't Catholic until last year. I kind of like the idea of the kids choosing for themselves instead of feeling pressured to choose their default saint.

We are transplants from Kentucky to Illinois, so it is interesting to see how some of our name choices fit in with Kentucky trends but are more unique in Illinois.

Barbara C.

I really should have just made my own blog post. ;-)


We wanted something familiar and timeless more than we wanted something unusual. I wanted to avoid the 'time stamp' than names like Stephanie and Michelle seem to have.

We picked Thomas after my husband's dad and his middle name Richard after my dad's middle name.

We picked Anna because it was simple and elegant, if a little vanilla-plain. At least it's GOOD vanilla! Her middle name Grace is the same as mine and my aunt's and my great-aunt.

My last son, Henry, we named because I just thought it was a good, under-used name. It's definitely a boy's/man's name and everyone has heard the name before. I'm still unsure of how 'trendy' it will end up, but I thought that tradition is on my side. His middle name, Steven, is after my dad.


Let's see. I know I have a whole set of naming 'rules' but I've never articulated them as such-- not even to myself.

1. I really like longer, polysyllabic names. When I was younger I realized that my siblings and I all have 7 letter first names. (Not something my parents intended, it just happened.)
And all but one of us have three syllables.

So it's probably no coincidence that all three of my children have three-syllable names.

2. I wanted their names to be unusual. I've always enjoyed being the only Melanie in my class. The first person named Melanie I ever met was a girl in my high school who I never had any classes with.

Unfortunately I struck out with my two girls names. Even though I'd never previously met an Isabella or Sophia, I didn't find out until I'd already settled on their names that they were in the top ten names for their respective birth years. Oops. There was even another Isabella in the nursery when my Bella was born.

3. It has to be a saint's name. The name came first not the saint; but if I hadn't been able to find name saint for them we'd have gone with different names.

4. No funny nicknames or bad associations.

5. In fact, the name had to have a readily available nickname that I liked: Bella for Isabella, Sophie for Sophia, Ben for Benedict. My family has always been big on nicknames. I wanted to have some control of the process.

6. Dom had to agree. Yes, I'm the one who has all sorts of rules. He's pretty laid back and lets me go with what I like. I think he might have vetoed some early suggestions. I know I've vetoed many of his suggestions.

7. It had to sound good with our last name (Bettinelli).

8. There could be no other bearers of the first name in the immediate family-- and since there were already a dozen nieces and nephews this made it considerably harder. Many of the names I liked were already taken.

(I guess this is sort of like #2; but it feels different to me.)

This actually flies in the face of Sicilian custom, in which the same names are reused in every generation, and was the one point of friction.

Dom really wanted a Dom junior (or rather the third). But since his father and nephew are also Domenic, I really didn't want the name confusion. I could just imagine calling for Domenic and getting four heads turn.

The girls' first names were ones I just liked the sound of. Sophie additionally appealed to us because we'd both enjoyed Patrick O'Brien's Master and Commander series.

Their middle names Isabella Marie and Sophie Therese were saints' names. I'd have liked to use either Mary or Theresa but both were already held by my nieces. I'm not sure why I went with French forms instead of the more Italian Maria and Teresa. It just felt right.

My son's name was the easiest. Benedict is a tribute to a pope we love and is my dad's middle name. Joseph seemed a natural pair with it and it's a Bettinelli family custom to use Mary as a middle name for girls and Joseph for boys. Though I doubt I'll re=use it for another boy.

I should probably have followed Arwen's lead and made this a post on my blog. But that would require work. And you did ask, after all.


What fun!

I like classic girls names with lots of syllables. My given name is so short that there is no sense in having a nickname and I always thought nicknames were so cool. I really like the weight of longer names. I decided that I would give my girls longer names so that they could have some options when they were older.

My older brother beat me to the punch by naming his first son, Lex, thus making me think long and hard before naming my first daughter, Alexandra (as I had always planned). I finally used it as her middle name, giving her the classic Sarah as a first.

Our next daughter is Elizabeth Eden, called Ellie, which is perfect to my mind, there's no other explanation.

When we had our son we went a little off the beaten path but we both liked it so much we had to: Xavier Ian, called Xave, Ian is a family name.

We have another little girl who was supposed to be Anneliese Catrin (nice eh?) but hubby announced he didn't like it halfway through the pregnancy. Grr. So we have an Elena Cecile, called Laney, which I love, (though I'm rethinking how we spell her nickname. Dh wanted it to be easily pronounced. "Leni" is more appropriate but looks like Lenny. She's only a year old so I could still change it.) :)

We have another little one one the way but haven't decided on any names. I really love Eleanor but that would give us three girls with "el" names. I think I have a thing for that sound. Maybe as a middle name.

If it's a boy we're in some serious trouble. It is exceedingly hard to find names that "match" Xavier without being too weird. I like Leo a lot plus it's a family name but hubby says no way. Calvin's ok. Andrew's too normal. Felix is too weird. Zane is awesome but too close. Same for Zack. Alistair is cool but Alice? *sigh*

Cathie B

On our honeymoon we took a 25 mile bike ride and on that ride we mapped out most of the names for our 6.

Nathaniel was the first name on the boy list. Thomas is Kevin's middle name.

We are big Beatles Fans, so Julia topped our list for the girls and Marie is my middle name.

We are of Irish descent, so we wanted to throw in a couple of names from our family history. Along came Brigid (after St. Brigid of Ireland), middle named Carrie, for Kevin's grandmother who turned 100 years old the same year Brigid was born.

Liam is a name I have always loved. Kevin did, too, so that was next. His middle name came from the next oldest relative, my grandfather Andrew.

Ambrose is a name I swore I would use since I was in the ninth grade. It just ended up further down on Kevin's list. It happened to also be the name of a character on an Irish series called Ballykissangel. Michael is my dad's name.

Eleanor is Kevin's maternal great grandmother's name and Margaret is his maternal grandmother's name.

I wanted to have a Theodore, but Kevin forbids it as someone might call him Teddy and that doesn't go very well with our last name.

Barbara C.

"We are big Beatles Fans, so Julia topped our list..."

I would love to use the name Prudence, but since we already have a Piper everyone would think they were named after "Charmed".

*I also have a NO JUNIORS policy!!

Amy F

I like Joy's names. My sons are Peter Kenneth and Leo William.

Peter: My maiden name is Peterson and I am one of two daughters. When I found out that Peter wasn't in the top 100 names, that family connection really appealed to me. My husband was a big fan because of the apostle connection. Also, he had a rough birth with a week in the NICU and having a boy whose name meant 'rock' helped a little during that time.

Kenneth -- my favorite grandfather's full name is Jackson Kenneth and he goes by Ken. I considered naming a son Jackson after him but he said how much he hates the name and it seemed like a matching middle name of Kenneth would go over better.

Leo -- we liked the pope/saint connection and were trying for something simple, easy to spell, but unique and that worked. Also liked the lion meaning.

William -- A family name on both sides (his paternal grandfather and great-grandfather plus one of my uncles) that I might have used as a first name if it wasn't so common.

Both boys would have been Elanor or Eleanor had they been female. I like the nickname options and my husband is a big LOTR fan. But there are now Eleanors (and even an Elanor) all over the place here and it is the most likely option for a middle name with baby #3 who is currently exhausting me with 7 months to go.

I find myself drawn to long girly names but the more I think about it, I like the boys' shorter, simple names and maybe I should try for that again. Other girls' names that have been on the short list include Genevieve, Audrey, Vivian, various names which could have Maggie as a nickname, and others that are long forms of Annie.

As for more boys' names, I'm completely stuck. Today I like Benedict. I wonder where that is on the top 1000. I'd like to use Edward as a boy's middle name (my dad's middle, his dad's first, my FIL's middle along with his father's middle) but my husband isn't a fan.

Audrey's the most popular I've considered -- I think it's #44. I definitely wouldn't get more common than that. I spent my entire childhood known as Amy P. and I'm not doing that to my own kids.


This is a great idea!

I have 2 rules:
1) No juniors, Thirds, etc. My husband is a junior and it causes all sorts of confusion.

2) One name must be a saints name.

My husband has 2 rules:
1) No names which have initials that spell (bad) things.

2) No names his has a bad association with because of someone he has known in the past

We tend to gravitate toward Irish/Celtic names. I am a redhead and am 1/4 Irish. My husband is 1/2 Irish. We also tend to like short, simple sounding names.

We named our 4:
- Paige Elizabeth
- Cora Bree (Cora is a derivative of St. Cornelius)
- Fiona Claire
- Connor James

We have one more on the way but nothing solid on names yet.


We like to use a fairly traditional first name (but one that is not too commonly used anymore) coupled with a family name for the second name. One or more has to be a saint name as well.

We named our daughter Emma a couple months before whoever that was on Friends named her daughter Emma and started a boomlet of Emmas - when we picked it, the name was only in the top thirty or so, and now it is in the top ten (I think it was #1 even.) Oh well, can't predict the future! Her middle name is Marie - after family members at the time (I hadn't converted yet) but it worked out well with the later Saint requirement.

Our boys are Gregory Alan and Nathan Michael. Both middle names are family names. We use Gregory and Nathan, not Greg and Nate. I wonder if that will change as they get older. Gregory (at 4) will respond to Greg if his sister says it, but not if other random people do. My husband would rather avoid names that can have a nickname, but we found that extremely difficult for boys names. Sure, there are some, but none that we liked all that much.

With each pregnancy we've only been able to mutually decide upon one name. So far it has worked out that the sex of the child has matched the name we picked. I keep wondering if some point we'll end up having to scramble at the last minute to come up with a name. How many times can we manage to correctly guess the sex of the baby, after all?

Michelle Westrich

We tend to go with timeless names. They end up being very popular and we always find that out AFTER the fact. It was never out intent. And we usually end up picking it just before my dh picks me up from the hospital. Really.

Funny story. I was in the hospital after having delivered our 5th. I was on the phone with my dh the night before he was to bring us home. We were both exhausted and still trying to decide on a name. We narrowed it down to Matthew or Thomas and we were leaning toward Thomas. My dh said, "Why don't you ask his angel to make it clear to you every time you look at him tonight." Well, when my dh brought the kids to pick me up the next morning he told the nurse he was ready to pick me and Thomas up. The nurse was really confused. I had just turned in the paperwork and named him Matthew.


We have a stolid one-syllable English last name, so our first names need to be a bit more elaborate to compensate. All middle names are saint names.

1. Eleanor Catherine. Eleanor was a name we both loved, and Darwin is a huge fan of The Lion in Winter, which features Eleanor of Aquitaine. Seven years ago it was extremely uncommon; not so much now. Catherine is a family name and just sounded nice with Eleanor.

2. Julia Therese. Julia is another name we loved from the beginning and is a reference to Brideshead Revisited. Therese is because my dad was saying a novena to St. Therese for changes for us at the time we found out we were pregnant. We chose Therese to placate the saint so that she wouldn't send us any more surprises quite like that!

3. Isabel Veronica. Isabel had never been on any of our lists, but it sounded so pretty. Maybe it was in our heads because it was practically the most popular name of 2006? Veronica was for Darwin, who just liked the name.

4. Jonathan Ambrose. Jonathon was Darwin's father's name; we just regularized the spelling. We knew we needed a "A" middle name because we intended to use the nickname Jack after Darwin's grandfather, who was named Jack A. (Just A.) For a long time we considered Aubrey, which was my great-grandfather's name, but it's not a saint's name, and we didn't know what he would think when he read Patrick o'Brien's Master and Commander series one day and encountered the character Jack Aubrey. So we chose Ambrose, which is a great name from a great saint.

5. Still in talks. William for a boy or Diana for a girl, but the middle names are up for grabs.


Our six girls:
Abigail Violet: Abigail came to me in prayer after Communion when I was pregnant. Violet was my Grandmother's name.

Mary Elizabeth: Obviously the Biblical connections. Also, Husband's Great Grandmother was Mary Elizabeth.

Katherine Margaret: I loved Katherine with a K. There are lots of Saints named Katherine (though none spelled exactly the same as far as I can tell?). Both of my husband's grandmother's middle names were Margaret. We call her Kate, but she can always go to the more grown-up sounding Katherine if she wants to.

Lydia Perkins: Lydia after my Great Grandmother. Perkins is husband's Mom's maiden name. We wanted to honor that side of our family, but since we weren't/aren't sure if we'll get a chance to use our boy name, we went with the unusual middle name.

Naomi Bernadette: Naomi after the Old Testament story and Bernadette after St. Bernadette.

Joanna Lucille: Joanna after the woman who Jesus healed and who witnessed his resurrection, and after a special cousin named Joanne. Lucille after a special Great Aunt of mine and after St. Lucy and St. Lucia.

Our boys name is Paul Richard after Husband's grandfathers. We aren't sure if we'll ever use this one ;-) We revisit it with each pregnancy, especially since my sister married a Paul and a brother adopted a boy (already 3yo) named Paul. The name sticks, though.

So, we like Saint and Bible names and we like to honor family. We do have a rule of not naming after a living relative. We like old-fashioned names. Some have become popular as we named our children, but we've never consulted a top 100 list. We just make a short list, pray, and make a decision.

The last two pregnancies have been fun since once we came up with our girl name, the baby-in-utero became known as "NOP" and "POJ" (Naomi or Paul and Paul or Joanna).


Oh, what fun. I love baby naming. We went with biblical or family names and didn't even think about whether they were top 10, top 100, or whatnot. We also didn't find out the gender with any of them but the last, so we always have had a couple of choices of each gender, and then decided after we'd had them. My husband is not a big fan of nicknames, so we mostly call them by their given names. He's eased up a little with the last two, so I often shorten their names when I'm calling them.
1. Elizabeth Caroline. Named after the biblical Elizabeth and middle name after my mother's middle name.
2. Andrew James. My husband's middle name is Andrew. My father-in-law's middle name is James. And they're both obviously biblical names, so we covered both.
3. Catherine Jane. I really loved Catherine with a "C", so I called my Grandma and asked her to look in our old family history books for a Catherine. She found one. :-). Jane is a family name. Isn't Jane a family name in everyone's family? It seems like it to me. I still love it.
4. Lydia Grace. Lydia from the Bible, but also we just loved the book by Sarah Stewart, "The Gardener." Such a sweet book that when we decided on Lydia, I could think of nothing else but Lydia Grace.
5. Amelia Rosaire. This one was a little more difficult than the others. Being the 4th girl (and the 3rd girl in a row), I had mostly used all my favorites, so for the first time I solicited the advice of friends and family (a select few, mind you). This one was the first one that we found out the gender of the baby before she was born. I was set on Lucy Belle and when I had her, I looked at her and said, "you are not Lucy Belle, you are definitely Amelia Rosiare." Rosaire was my husband's grandmother's name.


Baby names is a favorite topic here too. I am blessed (cursed? :)) with a picky husband in this area, so he and I do a lot of deliberating when it comes to choosing names. We do, however, have similar taste, which makes it easier.

We have a few informal rules:
1. Both first and middle names have to be saint's names, and they have to actually be saints we have an affinity toward or whom we particularly admire. My husband definitely doesn't like names that are picked just for the name itself.

2. Going along with #1, we do like names that are distinctly Catholic.

3. We tend to like one less common name, one more common name (first or middle--doesn't matter). We like the less common name, though, to at least be familiar to most people, even if it is not often used.

4. Nothing too trendy or trendy-sounding.

5. Nicknames are inevitable with my husband and his family, so the name has to have a nickname that we like. However, it also has to be a name that we like the full form of as well.

6. My side of the family speaks Italian and my husband's side speaks Tagalog, so the name needs to be able to be translated into or prounced by family members on both sides.

I guess that's it. So far we have:

:: Vincent Joseph (goes by his full name, Vincent, ironically enough--after St. Vincent Ferrer rather than St. Vincent de Paul)
:: Gianna Therese (Gigi)
:: Catherine Bernadette (Cate--Sts. Catherine of Siena and Bernadette)
:: Xavier Thomas (Xavie--Sts. Francis Xavier and Thomas More)


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