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26 May 2012


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I don't know about that. I've been immersed in antiquity in my graduate classes for a year now and the romantic notions are so far removed from actual life. I love Aristotle's Ethics, but it's hard to take Marc seriously when he writes "The fundamentally human idea that a vow is a thing forever kept is an idea weary and battered by divorce." as if divorce weren't an accepted part of Roman culture.

Slavery, and exposure of infants, and girls married at 12 to men who were in their mid-30's or older. I'm reading writings where Christian men were practicing virtuous chastity by keeping things in the household with their wife and slaves instead of going to brothels.

If we're talking upholding honor, what about the acceptance of suicide to prevent the loss of honor? Maybe I'm just too close to it to appreciate it at the moment.


Oh that is delightful. I'd never seen it before either. Thanks for sharing, Erin.

Kelly, I agree that Marc's examples seem... off, an idealization of the pagan world that doesn't quite seem informed about the realities of the ancient world. To me Lewis' fundamental point wasn't so much about the superior morality of the pagans so much as that they were not at least godless men-- a fairly common idea that Dante takes up to when he calls Virgil and others virtuous pagans. Their worship of the various pagan gods was at least a piety of sorts, while post-Christian man seems to have no gods at all, only worship of pleasure and self-love.

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